The U.S. vs John Lennon

[imagine]

Hey everybody! I recently purchased the U.S. vs John Lennon DVD and i thought it was an amazing and well put together documentary, if you havent seen it yet I highly suggest that you do......My rating = 5 Stars, and 2 thumbs up..... it would be more thumbs....but i only have 2 . its a must own for any lennon fan!

-Bryan

Give Peace a Chance!!!

[Mrs. O'Boogie]

Yeah the documental is great; every single John’s fan on earth should see it at least once. Nevertheless, I was a bit disappointed with the end, because I was expecting it to be more direct in the accusations about the conspiracy theory. (Which I believe, mind you) I think they ended it too sweetly for a documental that was implying that sort of accusations. I can take that commemorative feeling and that solemn ending for a documental like Imagine because it’s a memorial, but from The U.S. vs. John Lennon. I was expecting something more shocking, mainly because this documental it was supposed to be an accusation to the US Government, a revelation of abuses directed against those people who as same as John and Yoko were fighting for human rights and peace in that time.

I mean, don’t take me wrong, the movie presented some very reveling details about John and Yoko and how they were considering a threat for the government, but to be honest I was expecting a more shocking end… Something that would really make people thinks about the conspiracy theory, about the real fears that John and Yoko were having those days.

For example, I think that a good end would have been to mention that after John decided to get back into the music business again their telephone was been tapping once more and the FBI vigilance started again as well, that would put people to think about it...

For me the most shocking part was the way they represented John's death making the sounds of the gun shots... that gave me shivers all down and up mi spine and I haven’t found the courage to watch the documental again because that specific part make me very sad and depressed.

However, I surely think as same as you Bryan, it’s a must own for any Lennon fan! Moreover, I give it the same rating as you only that I also should include two toes up.

[sexyjohnny909]

Yes,great doccumentary

[imagine]

yes, i agree, it was a very abrupt ending to a great documentary, i also got chills with the gunshots at the end, it was quite sad. as to the conspiracy theory, i wish they could have expanded a bit more on the posibilities....thanks for the reply!!

-Bryan

[lennonlegend]

I saw the film on Youtube. Quite good I thought. The How Do You Sleep instrumental was great, it really created the trademark for the film.

[taylor]

I'm probably the only one here who doesn't believe the U.S. government plotted to kill John Lennon. Although I understand why they thought he was a threat. I have no desire to watch The U.S. Verses John Lennon.

[nocturnalquadruped]

taylor said:

I'm probably the only one here who doesn't believe the U.S. government plotted to kill John Lennon. Although I understand why they thought he was a threat. I have no desire to watch The U.S. Verses John Lennon.[color=Red

I don't believe they tried to have him killed either, if they wanted him dead they could have done it easily without all of the fuss. I think they just wanted to silence him and keep him from speaking his mind, you know stop freedom of speech. Funny that kind of attitude coming from the worlds "greatest" democracy.

[imagine]

nocturnalquadruped said:

taylor said:

I'm probably the only one here who doesn't believe the U.S. government plotted to kill John Lennon. Although I understand why they thought he was a threat. I have no desire to watch The U.S. Verses John Lennon.[color=Red

I don't believe they tried to have him killed either, if they wanted him dead they could have done it easily without all of the fuss. I think they just wanted to silence him and keep him from speaking his mind, you know stop freedom of speech. Funny that kind of attitude coming from the worlds "greatest" democracy.

I agree completely, i dont believe they had him killed or the whole conspiracy theory.....the documentary really just shows the passion that john had in expressing peace, the documentary isnt at all about conspiracy or even the question that the government had him killed, it shows in a very strong point of view and strength that john carried out the idea of peace and love instead of war....Please dont let the title fool you....its worth watching.

-Bryan

[Mrs. O'Boogie]

imagine said:

nocturnalquadruped said:

I don't believe they tried to have him killed either, if they wanted him dead they could have done it easily without all of the fuss. I think they just wanted to silence him and keep him from speaking his mind, you know stop freedom of speech. Funny that kind of attitude coming from the worlds "greatest" democracy.

I agree completely, i dont believe they had him killed or the whole conspiracy theory.....the documentary really just shows the passion that john had in expressing peace, the documentary isnt at all about conspiracy or even the question that the government had him killed, it shows in a very strong point of view and strength that john carried out the idea of peace and love instead of war....Please dont let the title fool you....its worth watching.

-Bryan

I agree with you guys about that the government was trying to shut him off in many ways, but I also believe in some aspects of the conspiracy theory... I’m not saying that is an undeniable truth, I have no probes to confirm it ot deny it, that’s the reason why it's still being a theory. However, I do not discard it as a possibility, because there's some very convincing probes of it as well.

The USA government has done many atrocities thru the years and we all know it, the government has have people kill, they have eradicated hundreds of innocent children and women and even murdered a president with the only propose to stat a war, for economics reasons and much more horrid things before, and they still doing it that aren’t surprising news, we saw it everyday. I do agree when you say that if they wanted him dead they easily could have it done before, but one thing is for sure John was scare of them and he said it to a friend, he was convinced that if something bad happened to him or Yoko maybe it wasn't going to be by an accident.

So, Only John and Yoko would know what kind of things they were doing to make them have that kind of fear toward the government, only they knew what things more that just vigilance they were experiencing in those years to make them feel that way…I guess that there’s the possibility of the doubt and no matter if we believe in the conspiracy theory or not , it if was a government agenda or a wacky crazy fan, at the end is still the same sad ending for an extraordinary human being.

[taylor]

I don't think the government was trying to silence him either. If they wanted to silence him, they would have done it in 1966 when he made his Jesus remark.

[Mrs. O'Boogie]

taylor said:

I don't think the government was trying to silence him either. If they wanted to silence him, they would have done it in 1966 when he made his Jesus remark.

When John made his controversial Jesus remarks in 1966, he wasn’t a threat to the USA government. He was just a young boy making comments about religion and people weren’t exactly supporting him about that remarks so he represent no danger.

But when years later he started to made comments about war and started a whole campaign to fight peace, and he began to say that Vietnam war was immoral, then was when he became a real threat. Because people started to believe him, to follow him even Americans. He got the power of speak and he was able to influence peoples minds and convince them with his ideas of Peace. In addition, if you add to that formula the fact that he was associated with the most controversial activists in America then you have a powerful threat.

However, the conspiracy theory is just that a theory, there are many real facts out there that can probe it right but as I said before is still a theory. John got a file in the FBI that a fact and the US government refused to show it, it take years to some lawyers to make the government to give it and made it public, finally they were releasing it page by page. (Take them about 10 years or so I don’t remember the exact time now.) However, many of those pages were illegible marked on black ink, there was probe of the phone tapping and the vigilance of the government… Real facts or maybe as same as John and Yoko we are a bunch of paranoids…

[onolennon]

Mar 28, 2008 1:34:08 GMT 1 Mrs. O'Boogie said:

taylor said:

I don't think the government was trying to silence him either. If they wanted to silence him, they would have done it in 1966 when he made his Jesus remark.

When John made his controversial Jesus remarks in 1966, he wasn’t a threat to the USA government. He was just a young boy making comments about religion and people weren’t exactly supporting him about that remarks so he represent no danger.

But when years later he started to made comments about war and started a whole campaign to fight peace, and he began to say that Vietnam war was immoral, then was when he became a real threat. Because people started to believe him, to follow him even Americans. He got the power of speak and he was able to influence peoples minds and convince them with his ideas of Peace. In addition, if you add to that formula the fact that he was associated with the most controversial activists in America then you have a powerful threat.

However, the conspiracy theory is just that a theory, there are many real facts out there that can probe it right but as I said before is still a theory. John got a file in the FBI that a fact and the US government refused to show it, it take years to some lawyers to make the government to give it and made it public, finally they were releasing it page by page. (Take them about 10 years or so I don’t remember the exact time now.) However, many of those pages were illegible marked on black ink, there was probe of the phone tapping and the vigilance of the government… Real facts or maybe as same as John and Yoko we are a bunch of paranoids…

I think there's a book on it. Haven't bought it, but I think it would be rather upsetting reading it.